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I'm embarassed to admit that I never realized that there were two kinds of handicapped spaces; I usually grab the first available, and if none I'll grab a loading, short term or reserved space, whatever's closest so that I don't have to worry about him falling down if he's working or getting run over if he's on his scooter. Obviously, I'll stay out of the van accessible spaces, hopefully forever. More likely, when Alex needs a chair full time, I'll have no compunction about parking cross wise over as many spaces as I need to unload him.
I think the real problem is that the ADA standard is too low for some locations, for example shopping and entertainment. The law only requires 2% of the total parking (rounded up the closest whole number) be designated as accessible and of those accessible parking spaces, only 1 in 8 (rounded up to the closest whole number) need be van accessible. I've never actually found an open space at a ballgame or amusement park or any place where one would expect to see grandma and grandpa with the grandkids. On the other hand the spaces in my office complex are empty about 95% of the time. Moreover the signage requirement on van accessible spaces is inadequate since there's nothing about it that puts people on notice that the parking space should be reserved for vans only.
I will keep you and your son in my prayers, Linda. My son is 19 and we have a side-access wheelchair accessible mini-van. When I encounter the situation you're talking about, I pull up to the parking space sideways and let the ramp down in to the spot...then, when Christopher rolls over to a safer area, I pull in and park in the spot. Finding a safer area to wait, while I'm parking the van is not always the easiest task, but we've managed it. Good luck with the surgery....Tracie
You raised some valid issues Cheryl, but I just wanted to add something (and I know we are going completely off topic, but hey thats the joy of discussion boards)
Yep the mums of the ambulant boys that don't have to deal with respirators and dressing and feeding have no idea how we feel. They don't know what its like to be so tired and frustrated at the whole situation that somedays you just don't know where to begin. But that is where we should be guiding them, helping them, mentoring them for the road ahead. Maybe if they have this support they will not burnout, as they will be prepared rather than shocked like we all were. Maybe we need to give more feedback on discussions that cover issues we no longer have to deal with, and give them the benefit of our experience - strive to make this a journey where they feel supported and encouraged by the many that have walked the path before them. Share our mistakes without feeling like the world will crucify us for them, so others don't have to learn that lesson the hard way too. And when they make comment on matters they don't even understand, rather than belittling them maybe we need to see it for what it is, a friend trying to offer help to someone in need. We don't always get it right, so it's unfair to expect them to.
As far as the parking bay issues go, even though these mums don't have EWC's and ramps/hoists, a lot of them are having to do manual transfers, and this also needs a wider bay, as you have to be able to get the car door open fully in order to do a correct lift (and not put your back out in the process). So they have perspectives on issues that we may have forgotton all about. I know it took this discussion to remind me of those horrible days when it was pouring with rain, and I had to first of all put the manual wheelchair together (whilst trying to hold an umbrella) and then get Mitchell out of the car, without the wheelchair seat getting too wet, and not poking him in the eye with the umbrella that was wedged precariously between us...... none of this can be done in a standard width parking bay, which is why I suspect some of the vehicles parked in van accessible spots are there.
Yes there will always be the inconsiderate people that think their needs are greater than anyone elses, we have huge issues here with non placard vehicles using disabled bays as "5 minute parking spots". For a long time it used to make my blood boil and I would find myself daydreaming about how great it would be to kick their headlights in, or let their tyres down so they could be as inconvenienced as I had been, but in the end I realised that the only person that was going to have their day ruined was me - they didn't care, that's why they parked there in the first place.
So now I just make the call and get them booked in the hopes they wont do it again. I used to also carry little cards that read: "I didn't know ignorance was now a recognised disability however please refrain from using the bays until your sticker (placard) arrives..." They probably screwed it up and threw it away, but it made me feel better that I had done something and shown them that not everyone is impressed with their selfish behaviour....
But Tracie we should not have to. Is the point, I feel we need to start a petition or something to send into the the state department, because I feel if a car gets a ticket for parking in a van accessible parking spot that more people will pay attention to it, but there will still be some that won't. But we all need to understand that at times we all feel like it is us against the rest of the world and this is just another issue not many people even think about, we have to help people to understand it is a big one for us.
Tanya
tracie said:I will keep you and your son in my prayers, Linda. My son is 19 and we have a side-access wheelchair accessible mini-van. When I encounter the situation you're talking about, I pull up to the parking space sideways and let the ramp down in to the spot...then, when Christopher rolls over to a safer area, I pull in and park in the spot. Finding a safer area to wait, while I'm parking the van is not always the easiest task, but we've managed it. Good luck with the surgery....Tracie
Tracie
I love the wheelchair graphics you put on the cars. You should sell them. I know I would buy them.
Michelle
Tanya, I completely agree that we shouldn't have to. I was just responding to Linda's description of pulling in to a spot partially and letting her son out. I was suggesting letting the ramp down into the parking space from the side so that she's not having to let her son out in the traffic lane. This is just what I do when I have no other choice. I have made so many phone calls about illegal parking that I'm sure they see me on caller ID and roll their eyes. When Christopher was in high school, I would go to pick him up and have to get out of my car, walk up to parents parked in the handicapped spots, and ask them to move. They would react with total disgust and say that they were only there for a few minutes, waiting for their child to come out! One mom even told me to get a life. The campus security officers would go right by on their golf carts and never do a thing when they saw cars with no placards in the spots. I sometimes resorted to taking out my cell phone and very obviously taking pictures of the car and license plate. At one of Christopher's doctor's offices, the owner of the building would park in the hash-marked area of the handicapped spot. I spoke to him and the doctor spoke to him and he continued to do it. One day, I backed into the spot as close as I could to his car and deployed the ramp on the other side. I had to get out on the passenger side of the van. He couldn't get into his car while we were in the office. I finally filed a complaint with the office of disability services. They sent someone out to take photographs and they cited him for all sorts of violations. He was an architect and said that he didn't have to comply with their order. They fought back and forth and I don't know what ever happened because Christopher stopped seeing that doctor. I have little notes that I put on the windshields of people parked in handicapped spots without placards. They have the little blue wheelchair graphic and they say, "You took my parking spot, would you like to have my disability too?"
Tanya Fleming said:But Tracie we should not have to. Is the point, I feel we need to start a petition or something to send into the the state department, because I feel if a car gets a ticket for parking in a van accessible parking spot that more people will pay attention to it, but there will still be some that won't. But we all need to understand that at times we all feel like it is us against the rest of the world and this is just another issue not many people even think about, we have to help people to understand it is a big one for us.
Tanya
tracie said:I will keep you and your son in my prayers, Linda. My son is 19 and we have a side-access wheelchair accessible mini-van. When I encounter the situation you're talking about, I pull up to the parking space sideways and let the ramp down in to the spot...then, when Christopher rolls over to a safer area, I pull in and park in the spot. Finding a safer area to wait, while I'm parking the van is not always the easiest task, but we've managed it. Good luck with the surgery....Tracie
Tracie,
What a great web site. I thought the following was a good article and felt others here might enjoy it.
Janine
http://wheelchairjunkie.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/follow-andys-grand...
Michelle, I can't take credit for this little note...someone years ago had it available online for free. It may have even been someone on the Parent Project website, but I think it might have been from www.wheelchairjunkie.com. If you like, I can e-mail it to you and you can print some out for yourself. I have them in a Word document, 3 to a page. Tracie
Michelle Scaglione said:Tracie
I love the wheelchair graphics you put on the cars. You should sell them. I know I would buy them.
Michelle
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